Please note: The BBC interviewer seemed completely unaware of Anastasia and the "Ringing Cedars of Russia" books. If he had known what was in the books, many of his questions wouldn't have needed to be asked. However, the interview does point to the 'elephant in the room' -
"What happens to the land if the people have never read the Ringing Cedars books?"
It makes me wonder if a solution could be: Every time somebody is gifted 1 hectare of land, the family needs to receive a copy of the book "Anastasia" by Vladimir Megre with an inscription inside -
This little book will show you how to best look after your land.
All the best in your endeavours, Vladimir Megre.
Perhaps this can be printed inside the books, but personally initialled or signed. This would give an air of 'blessing' to the whole project those people are about to undertake. To receive a signed book, handled in person by the author, sends the energy of love immediately to the recipient's heart. They would then feel so compelled to read the book, and within the pages, would find solutions to issues that no bureaucrat can ever resolve - That being - the condition of the human heart in relation to his natural environment, and the mystic and spiritual worlds that come to the fore once Man finds him or herself in nature once again. Anastasia teaches us how to be on our 1 hectare of land. I think every family being gifted 1 hectare also needs to receive "Anastasia". It would make very good sense for this to happen.
Since this would be a costly exercise, I also suggest that people in the West and other places, fund a book (or multiple books even) that get published in Russia (the exchange rates are favourable), and if it was possible, to have the name of the sponsor in the book also. This connects East with West... and lets the people moving onto the land know that everybody in the world is cheering them on, as they co-create their "family estates" with their loved ones. It is exceedingly important for the "Kin's Domains" - family estates, to be successful, as the world looks on. The receipt of such a book with inscriptions of the book's sponsor, their country of origin, and Mr Megre's signature, bespeaks the importance of what they are about to do for the world. It adds an air of excitement, anticipation and of a global community - which is what we are. Love to all...
Who will take the free land in the Far East?
by Russian BBC. May 3, 2016
Translated using "Google Translate" (it's not perfect) https://translate.google.co.nz
Vladimir Putin signed a law giving citizens land in the Far Eastern Federal District.
According to it, any citizen of the country can once in a lifetime for free get a land plot of 1 hectare. The land can be taken for himself and his wife and children.
You can build a house, it is possible to farm, we can still do something, authorities reported.
What is this law is designed to do and what real difference it can lead to?
Who will take up the free land offer in the Far East?
by Russian BBC. May 3, 2016
Translated using "Google Translate" (it's not perfect) https://translate.google.co.nz
Vladimir Putin signed a law giving citizens land in the Far Eastern Federal District.
According to it, any citizen of the country can once in a lifetime for free get a land plot of 1 hectare. The land can be taken for himself and his wife and children.
You can build a house, it is possible to farm, we can still do something, authorities reported.
What is this law is designed to do and what real difference it can lead to?
Who will take up the free land offer in the Far East?
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Leading "Fifth Floor" journalist Ian Litvinov talks with State Councillor Ivan Starikov, director of the Institute of International Business and Economics with Alexander Latkina and Deputy Minister for Development of the Far East Sergei Kachaeva.
Leading "Fifth Floor" journalist Ian Litvinov talks with State Councillor Ivan Starikov, director of the Institute of International Business and Economics with Alexander Latkina and Deputy Minister for Development of the Far East Sergei Kachaeva.
Ian Litvinov: On what the law was intended? What do you plan on it optimal response?
Sergei Kachaeva: The main purpose of this law - consolidation of the existing population in the Far East and to attract new citizens of the Russian Federation to the Far East. And give them the opportunity to choose where to live and what to do. Optimally - to have more people move to the Far East and have an economically active life. Last year, we conducted a survey of the public and about 20% of Russians said that they are ready to move to the Far East if they get land, and in the age of 30 - 34.
Ian Litvinov: But one hectare - this is not a lot, and without the infrastructure - roads, schools, electricity and so on - what's the point to receive the land that is still far from the city? In infrastructure projects the money will be allocated?
Sergei Kachaeva: In the event that more than 20 sites are located compactly, the law stipulates that the local authorities of these territories to provide infrastructure. And the land can be made available in the settlements, where there is infrastructure. Citizens must take responsibility for this issue and explore the territory in which they are going to take the land. Supports people who will develop the infrastructure, including through mortgage arrangements.
Ian Litvinov: Alexander, you are from the Far East. You too are looking at this project with optimism?
Alexander Latkina: I was born on the lower Amur, long lived in the Khabarovsk Territory, then in Primorye. It is very difficult to ensure that the conditions to the hectare of land earned. People living in the west of the country, have no idea what the Far East is like. Cities here are few, swamps, taiga, Mar, tick-borne encephalitis. To ensure efficient use of the land is very difficult. Especially surprising words that "local authorities should provide the infrastructure". The municipal budget has no money to ensure that even in the villages roads in the spring only on the tractor can drive. Already ready to use the land abandoned. Under Vladivostok more than 50 thousand suburban areas where there is no electricity, no roads, trains and buses do not really go.
The initiative is good, as well as many others, because people from the Far East leaves. Planned by 2000 have 10 million people, and now there are only 6 million small. This law - do not step into the future. It is necessary that the land was acting in good circulation. In Primorye, the arable land is two times higher than in the Republic of Korea. It provides us with fruits, vegetables and berries. We do not have roads, mechanization, automation, logistics - This is where we need to start. In the USSR, here we invested tens of billions to spend on reclamation that were destroyed by swamps and shrubs. But then everything was thrown back and overgrown with forest.
Ian Litvinov: That is, this movement is not forward and not to the side and back. [two steps forward and one back?]
Alexander Latkina: We have an area of advancing social and economic development, special economic zones. Soon year as Vladivostok - free port. Let's at least remain positive that one project will bring up a good result. Then people will be pulled here to live, and not vice versa, as according to the results of 2015. Even in the Primorsky Territory, it has the most favorable climate.
Ian Litvinov: According to official data, in comparison with the Soviet period, the population declined by 2 million people.
Alexander Latkina: We have to think how to make the hectare somehow work. In the past, all the initiatives have not brought tangible results.
Ian Litvinov: Ivan V. Before, it was a bill [the "Homestead Bill"]. Has something dramatically changed now that it is the law? Do you still think this is a good opportunity?
Ivan Starikov: In six months, until the law was passed with discussion and adoption procedure, it has undergone changes that did not improve it. In October last year, there was a regular plenum of the Communist Party of China, which adopted a program of 13 five-year plans and the "Chinese dream" until 2049. By 2021, GDP is expected to grow twice. 60% of the population to live in cities. This is another level of consumption, education and development. Restriction on the birth of a second child. This makes the Russian government began to take steps to stop the catastrophic obezlyudivanie [evacuation] in Eastern Siberia and the Far East. I see this as an attempt - hopefully successful - the implementation of agricultural policy. 1 hectare - Enough to run the program for the creation of consumer cooperatives.
Ian Litvinov: What about the infrastructure, which is not created yet? What will 1 hectare itself produce? The local authorities do not have the money to provide schools, roads and processing plants.
Ivan Starikov: Money in the budget come from economic activity. In Soviet times, people were given six acres on the uncomfortable and private initiative, which is limited to the size of the structure, even in the area, worked wonders. The main thing is that people believe in the long-term and serious intentions. Then, not relying on the government to form consumer associations, will solve infrastructure issues.
Ian Litivnov: This law, objectively, was well laid out, or is it an attempt to somehow close the gaping hole?
Sergei Kachaeva: This law becomes public policy, which the Russian Federation has implemented for the last three years in the Far East. The territory of priority development, free port of Vladivostok and one hectare of free land - The links of one chain. The first two create jobs, and these employees we [who won't take wages ?] except wages, we would like to offer land for the manifestation of their initiatives. I agree that we should not leave the citizen alone during challenges that he will face while developing the land. Here we are with the regional authorities. We have a lot of work to ensure that all citizens, who will come and will develop the land, the necessary set of social services. Including mortgage loans under special mortgage programs, the possibility to arrange the children in kindergartens, ablity to work in the social sphere, where they will take lots. It is a complex program, and we did not finish the job.
Ivan Litvinov: But in five years it will be decided that they will continue on the land? Theoretically, it could even be taken away. Where in the law guarantees that it will not be taken away in five years? The story of the small and medium business in Russia is not very favorable for him.
Sergei Kachaeva: During these five years, the citizen should master this earth. He must build a house there, or to receive the harvest and sell it. This confirmation will be in the information system, that is, to declare the use of the land. If within five years, the earth will be mastered, the state agencies will give him the property free of charge. Otherwise, carry out spot checks, and the land may be withdrawn if the citizen has not mastered it.
Alexander Latkina: I am a professor of acting and communicate with a large audience. Here we talked about the sociological survey, that many are willing to come. It came to us quite a lot - from Donetsk, Lugansk, but sniffing powder Far East, already leaving. Prices are high, the climatic conditions are not very high, transport costs. There is a good road to Khabarovsk to Moscow - is no alternative to rail. I'm not talking about the intra-regional roads. I do not believe that one-third would be willing to come here. I am often in the forest, and on the Amur River. It is terrible to watch. In the forest along the rivers are destroyed salmon, caviar is cut right on the beach. On the Amur straight day stand traps on sturgeon caviar for getting, and no one is doing anything to oversee it, does not control it. In fact, these poachers are under the patronage of the authorities. I'm afraid this 1 hectare will be used to shoot bears and tigers, to cut and destroy pine trees. The problem of control over the rational use of these acres - that's what this is about. Already, we have no control, where will it come from then? And what money will build roads to these hectares, if they don't pay taxes? After five years, taking into account the low-control in all spheres, including in the public administration, control, service, what do we get back? I have children and grandchildren. I was worried.
Ian Litvinov: How do the people of this region feel that they are part of Russia?
Alexander Latkina: The profound mistake of those who are trying to carry out reforms in the Far East, that by giving jobs, we will attract people. Nothing like this. Today, the main issue when the state will begin to think seriously? Namely: To put health care so that it was not worse, but better than in Moscow; For the ambulance to come after twenty minutes, not three hours; That education quality, school, is modern, not shabby; Kindergartens with the relevant conditions; competent law enforcement authorities. A set of public services, which are carried out in the Far East is worse than in Moscow. This pilot project is necessary, so we can undertake a closer look for the west, between Moscow and the Urals. There's also a lot of land resources there. And then in the Far East. I am afraid that we are here to ditch all the unique resources.
Ian Litvinov : In another region, Yakutia, the people have already said they are opposed to the "Homestead Act" because they fear that under this sauce [mixture of components] people will begin to engage in illegal activities - to prospect for gold, mine diamonds and so on. Why the Far East? For example, the Kirov region now you can get up to eight hectares of land for free, if you want to engage in animal husbandry and farming under almost 50 [meaning not known]. And this is much closer to the capital. Why do they prefer the Far East of the Kirov region?
Ivan Starikov: In the Far East formed the center of attraction - China and Southeast Asia. If we want to preserve their historical and political entity, the place of application of force - it is there. Country vital to meaningful public-national project of the future. The construction of transport corridor Vladivostok - Rotterdam, the second Trans-Siberian Railway, will ensure the implementation of this project, especially after the creation of the US Trans-Pacific Partnership [TPP].
Russia - a federal state, and it is not necessary to hope in the whole of Moscow. Society, especially in Russia, has always been a self-organizing structure. Do not stir the people to do, and they will understand and poachers, and traps. But it is necessary to lift restrictions on the pledge of municipal land, which today is in the fund reallocation. It is necessary to put these lands and topographic surveys. A program of creating redistribution centers around the large, medium and small cities. On these sites ["Family estates"] you need to create the conditions for small producers to process and package their products so they can go online for sale. Then work on this 1 hectare will be meaningful, and we will see success.
Ian Litvinov: How long will you give to this project? When do we get together to discuss its success or failure?
Sergai Kachaeva: The first results we will discuss at the end of 2016. Since February 2017 we will begin to provide land for all the inhabitants of the Russian Federation.
Alexander Latkina: It is now necessary to take stock of the Torah projects [Jewish Autonomous Oblast ?] and the free port of Vladivostok. By the end of 2016, let's summarize the results of this project.
Ivan Starikov: Such hassles do not tolerate projects. Three years. [I give it 3 years ?]
Alexander Latkina: We have an area of advancing social and economic development, special economic zones. Soon year as Vladivostok - free port. Let's at least remain positive that one project will bring up a good result. Then people will be pulled here to live, and not vice versa, as according to the results of 2015. Even in the Primorsky Territory, it has the most favorable climate.
Ian Litvinov: According to official data, in comparison with the Soviet period, the population declined by 2 million people.
Alexander Latkina: We have to think how to make the hectare somehow work. In the past, all the initiatives have not brought tangible results.
Ian Litvinov: Ivan V. Before, it was a bill [the "Homestead Bill"]. Has something dramatically changed now that it is the law? Do you still think this is a good opportunity?
Ivan Starikov: In six months, until the law was passed with discussion and adoption procedure, it has undergone changes that did not improve it. In October last year, there was a regular plenum of the Communist Party of China, which adopted a program of 13 five-year plans and the "Chinese dream" until 2049. By 2021, GDP is expected to grow twice. 60% of the population to live in cities. This is another level of consumption, education and development. Restriction on the birth of a second child. This makes the Russian government began to take steps to stop the catastrophic obezlyudivanie [evacuation] in Eastern Siberia and the Far East. I see this as an attempt - hopefully successful - the implementation of agricultural policy. 1 hectare - Enough to run the program for the creation of consumer cooperatives.
Ian Litvinov: What about the infrastructure, which is not created yet? What will 1 hectare itself produce? The local authorities do not have the money to provide schools, roads and processing plants.
Ivan Starikov: Money in the budget come from economic activity. In Soviet times, people were given six acres on the uncomfortable and private initiative, which is limited to the size of the structure, even in the area, worked wonders. The main thing is that people believe in the long-term and serious intentions. Then, not relying on the government to form consumer associations, will solve infrastructure issues.
Ian Litivnov: This law, objectively, was well laid out, or is it an attempt to somehow close the gaping hole?
Sergei Kachaeva: This law becomes public policy, which the Russian Federation has implemented for the last three years in the Far East. The territory of priority development, free port of Vladivostok and one hectare of free land - The links of one chain. The first two create jobs, and these employees we [who won't take wages ?] except wages, we would like to offer land for the manifestation of their initiatives. I agree that we should not leave the citizen alone during challenges that he will face while developing the land. Here we are with the regional authorities. We have a lot of work to ensure that all citizens, who will come and will develop the land, the necessary set of social services. Including mortgage loans under special mortgage programs, the possibility to arrange the children in kindergartens, ablity to work in the social sphere, where they will take lots. It is a complex program, and we did not finish the job.
Ivan Litvinov: But in five years it will be decided that they will continue on the land? Theoretically, it could even be taken away. Where in the law guarantees that it will not be taken away in five years? The story of the small and medium business in Russia is not very favorable for him.
Sergei Kachaeva: During these five years, the citizen should master this earth. He must build a house there, or to receive the harvest and sell it. This confirmation will be in the information system, that is, to declare the use of the land. If within five years, the earth will be mastered, the state agencies will give him the property free of charge. Otherwise, carry out spot checks, and the land may be withdrawn if the citizen has not mastered it.
Alexander Latkina: I am a professor of acting and communicate with a large audience. Here we talked about the sociological survey, that many are willing to come. It came to us quite a lot - from Donetsk, Lugansk, but sniffing powder Far East, already leaving. Prices are high, the climatic conditions are not very high, transport costs. There is a good road to Khabarovsk to Moscow - is no alternative to rail. I'm not talking about the intra-regional roads. I do not believe that one-third would be willing to come here. I am often in the forest, and on the Amur River. It is terrible to watch. In the forest along the rivers are destroyed salmon, caviar is cut right on the beach. On the Amur straight day stand traps on sturgeon caviar for getting, and no one is doing anything to oversee it, does not control it. In fact, these poachers are under the patronage of the authorities. I'm afraid this 1 hectare will be used to shoot bears and tigers, to cut and destroy pine trees. The problem of control over the rational use of these acres - that's what this is about. Already, we have no control, where will it come from then? And what money will build roads to these hectares, if they don't pay taxes? After five years, taking into account the low-control in all spheres, including in the public administration, control, service, what do we get back? I have children and grandchildren. I was worried.
Ian Litvinov: How do the people of this region feel that they are part of Russia?
Alexander Latkina: The profound mistake of those who are trying to carry out reforms in the Far East, that by giving jobs, we will attract people. Nothing like this. Today, the main issue when the state will begin to think seriously? Namely: To put health care so that it was not worse, but better than in Moscow; For the ambulance to come after twenty minutes, not three hours; That education quality, school, is modern, not shabby; Kindergartens with the relevant conditions; competent law enforcement authorities. A set of public services, which are carried out in the Far East is worse than in Moscow. This pilot project is necessary, so we can undertake a closer look for the west, between Moscow and the Urals. There's also a lot of land resources there. And then in the Far East. I am afraid that we are here to ditch all the unique resources.
Ian Litvinov : In another region, Yakutia, the people have already said they are opposed to the "Homestead Act" because they fear that under this sauce [mixture of components] people will begin to engage in illegal activities - to prospect for gold, mine diamonds and so on. Why the Far East? For example, the Kirov region now you can get up to eight hectares of land for free, if you want to engage in animal husbandry and farming under almost 50 [meaning not known]. And this is much closer to the capital. Why do they prefer the Far East of the Kirov region?
Ivan Starikov: In the Far East formed the center of attraction - China and Southeast Asia. If we want to preserve their historical and political entity, the place of application of force - it is there. Country vital to meaningful public-national project of the future. The construction of transport corridor Vladivostok - Rotterdam, the second Trans-Siberian Railway, will ensure the implementation of this project, especially after the creation of the US Trans-Pacific Partnership [TPP].
Russia - a federal state, and it is not necessary to hope in the whole of Moscow. Society, especially in Russia, has always been a self-organizing structure. Do not stir the people to do, and they will understand and poachers, and traps. But it is necessary to lift restrictions on the pledge of municipal land, which today is in the fund reallocation. It is necessary to put these lands and topographic surveys. A program of creating redistribution centers around the large, medium and small cities. On these sites ["Family estates"] you need to create the conditions for small producers to process and package their products so they can go online for sale. Then work on this 1 hectare will be meaningful, and we will see success.
Ian Litvinov: How long will you give to this project? When do we get together to discuss its success or failure?
Sergai Kachaeva: The first results we will discuss at the end of 2016. Since February 2017 we will begin to provide land for all the inhabitants of the Russian Federation.
Alexander Latkina: It is now necessary to take stock of the Torah projects [Jewish Autonomous Oblast ?] and the free port of Vladivostok. By the end of 2016, let's summarize the results of this project.
Ivan Starikov: Such hassles do not tolerate projects. Three years. [I give it 3 years ?]
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March 3, 2016 article - Putin signed a law on the transfer of land to Russians in the Far East
Кто возьмет бесплатную землю на Дальнем Востоке?
3 мая 2016
Владимир Путин подписал закон, предоставляющий гражданам земельные участки в Дальневосточном федеральном округе.
В соответствии с ним любой гражданин страны может один раз в жизни безвозмездно получить земельный участок площадью 1 гектар, землю можно брать и на себя, и на жену, и на детей.
Можно построить дом, можно заняться сельским хозяйством, можно еще что-нибудь делать, только властям сообщай.
На что рассчитан этот закон и к каким реальным переменам он может привести?
Кто возьмет бесплатную землю на Дальнем Востоке?
Ведущая "Пятого этажа" Яна Литвинова беседует с действительным государственным советником Иваном Стариковым, директором Института международного бизнеса и экономики ВГУЭС Александром Латкиным и заместителем Министра Российской Федерации по развитию Дальнего Востока Сергеем Качаевым.
Я.Л.: На что был рассчитан этот закон? Какую вы планируете на него оптимальную реакцию?
Сергей Качаев: Главная цель этого закона – закрепление существующего населения на Дальнем Востоке и привлечение новых граждан Российской Федерации на Дальний Восток. И дать им возможность выбирать, где жить и чем заниматься. Оптимально – чтобы больше людей переезжали на Дальний Восток и вели там экономически активную жизнь. В прошлом году мы проводили опрос общественности, и около 20% россиян ответили, что готовы переехать на Дальний Восток, если получать землю, а в возрасте до 30 лет – 34%.
Я.Л.: Но один гектар – это не очень много, а без инфраструктуры – дороги, школы, электричество и так далее – какой смысл получать землю, да еще далеко от города? На инфраструктурные проекты деньги будут выделены?
С.К.: В том случае, если 20 и более участков располагаются компактно, закон предусматривает, что местные власти такие территории будут обеспечивать инфраструктурой. А земли могут предоставляться и в самих населенных пунктах, где есть инфраструктура. Граждане должны ответственно отнестись к этому вопросу и изучить территорию, на которой они собираются брать землю. Предусмотрена поддержка людей, которые будут инфраструктуру развивать, в том числе через ипотечные механизмы.
Я.Л.: Александр Павлович, вы с Дальнего Востока, вы тоже смотрите на этот проект с оптимизмом?
Александр Латкин: Я родился на нижнем Амуре, долго жил в Хабаровском крае, потом в Приморском. Здесь очень сложно обеспечить условия, чтобы этот гектар земли заработал. Люди, живущие на западе страны, не представляют, что такое Дальний Восток. Городов здесь очень мало, болота, тайга, мар, энцефалитный клещ. Обеспечить эффективное использование этих земель очень тяжело. Особенно удивляют слова, что "местные власти должны обеспечить инфраструктуру". В муниципальном бюджете нет денег, чтобы обеспечить даже в поселках дороги, весной только на тракторе можно проехать. Уже готовые к эксплуатации земли брошены. Под Владивостоком более 50 тыс дачных участков, где нет ни электричества, ни дорог, электрички и автобусы толком не ходят.
Инициатива хорошая, как и многие другие, потому что народ с Дальнего Востока уезжает. Планировали к 2000 году иметь 10 млн населения, а сейчас осталось только 6 с небольшим. Этот закон – не шаг в будущее. Надо, чтобы действующая земля была в хорошем обороте. В Приморском крае пахотных земель в два раза больше, чем в Республике Корея. А они поставляют нам фрукты, овощи и ягоды. У нас нет дорог, механизации, автоматизации, логистики – это надо создать для начала. В СССР сюда вкладывались десятки миллиардов, чтобы провести мелиорацию, были уничтожены болота и кустарники. Но потом все было брошено и снова заросло лесом.
Я.Л.: То есть это движение не вперед и даже не в сторону, а назад.
А.Л.: У нас есть территория опережающего социально-экономического развития, особые экономические зоны. Уже скоро год как Владивосток – свободный порт. Давайте хотя бы один проект доведем до хорошего результата. Тогда народ потянется сюда жить, а не наоборот, как по итогам 2015 года, даже из Приморского края, самого благоприятного климатически.
Я.Л.: По официальным данным, по сравнению с советским периодом население сократилось на 2 млн человек.
А.Л.: Надо думать, как заставить этот гектар как-то работать. Предыдущие все инициативы реальных результатов не принесли.
Я.Л.: Иван Валентинович, с того момента, как это был законопроект, что-то кардинально поменялось теперь, когда это закон? Вы по-прежнему считаете, что это хорошая возможность?
Иван Стариков: За полгода, пока закон проходил процедуру обсуждения и принятия, он претерпел изменения, которые его не улучшили. В октябре прошлого года состоялся очередной пленум Коммунистической партии Китая, где была принята программа на 13 пятилетку и "Китайская мечта" до 2049 года. К 2021 году ВВП должен вырасти в два раза. 60% населения должны жить в городах. Это уже другой уровень потребления, образования, развития. Снято ограничение на рождение второго ребенка. Это заставляет правительство РФ начать предпринимать шаги, чтобы остановить катастрофическое обезлюдивание территории Восточной Сибири и Дальнего Востока. Я вижу в этом попытку - надеюсь, успешную, - реализации аграрной политики. Гектар – достаточно, чтобы запустить программу создания потребительских производственных кооперативов.
Я.Л.: А как же инфраструктура, которой нет? Что даст гектар сам по себе? У местных властей нет денег обеспечивать школы, дороги и заводы по переработке.
И.С.: Деньги в бюджете появляются от экономической деятельности. В советское время давали по шесть соток на неудобьях, и частная инициатива, которая ограничивалась даже размерами строения на участке, творила чудеса. Главное, чтобы люди поверили в долгосрочность и серьезность намерений. Тогда, не надеясь на государство, образуя потребительские союзы, начнут решать и инфраструктурные вопросы.
Я.Л.: Этот закон, объективно, был хорошо продуман, или это попытка хоть как-то закрыть зияющую брешь?
С.К.: Этот закон продолжает государственную политику, которую Российская Федерация реализует последние три года на Дальнем Востоке. Территория опережающего развития, свободный порт Владивосток и один гектар – звенья одной цепи. Первые два создают рабочие места, и этим работникам мы, кроме зарплаты, хотим предложить землю для проявления их инициативы. Я согласен, что мы не должны оставить гражданина один на один проблемами, с которыми он столкнется при освоении земли. Здесь нам с региональными властями предстоит большая работа по обеспечению всех граждан, которые приедут и будут осваивать эту землю, необходимым набором социальных услуг. В том числе ипотечные кредиты под специальные ипотечные программы, возможность устроить детей в детские сады, возможность работать в социальной сфере там, где они будут брать участки. Это комплексная программа, и мы работу не заканчиваем.
Я.Л.: Но только через пять лет будет решаться, что с этой землей будет дальше. Теоретически, ее могут даже отобрать. Где в законе гарантии, что ее через пять лет не отберут? История с малым и средним бизнесом в России не совсем для него благоприятна.
С.К.: За эти пять лет гражданин должен эту землю освоить. Он должен построить там дом, или получать урожай и продавать его. Эти подтверждения будут в рамках информационной системы, то есть декларировать использование земли. Если в течение пяти лет земля будет освоена, то госорганы передадут ее ему в собственность бесплатно. В противном случае проводятся выборочные проверки, и земля может быть изъята, если гражданин ее не освоил.
А.Л.: Я действующий профессор и общаюсь с огромной аудиторией. Тут говорили о социологическом опросе, что многие готовы приехать. К нам приехало довольно много – из Донецка, Луганска, но, понюхав дальневосточного пороху, уже уезжают. Цены здесь высокие, климатические условия не те, очень большие транспортные издержки. Нет хорошей дороги до Хабаровска, до Москвы – нет альтернативы железной дороге. Я уж не говорю о внутрирегиональных дорогах. Я не очень верю, что каждый третий был бы готов сюда приехать. Я часто бываю и в тайге, и на реке Амур. Страшно смотреть. В тайге вдоль речек уничтожаются лососевые, икра разделывается прямо на берегу. На Амуре прямо днем стоят ловушки на осетров для добывания черной икры, и никто этим не занимается, не контролирует, более того, эти браконьеры под патронажем властей. Я боюсь, на этом гектаре будут разделанные медведи, пострелянные тигры, уничтоженные кедровые деревья. Проблема контроля за рациональным использованием этих гектаров – вот о чем речь. Уже сейчас мы контроля не имеем, откуда ему потом возникнуть? И на какие деньги будут строиться дороги к этим гектарам, если он налоги платить не будет? Через пять лет, с учетом низкого контроля во всех сферах деятельности, в том числе и в государственном управлении, контроле, услугах, к чему мы вернемся? У меня есть дети и внуки, меня это все беспокоит.
Я.Л.: Насколько жители этого региона вообще ощущают себя частью России?
А.Л.: Глубочайшая ошибка тех, кто пытается проводить реформы на Дальнем Востоке, в том, что, дав рабочие места, мы привлечем население. Ничего подобного. Сегодня главный вопрос, когда государство всерьез начнет думать? А именно: поставить здравоохранение так, чтобы оно было не хуже, а лучше, чем в Москве. Чтобы скорая помощь приходила через двадцать минут, а не три часа. Чтобы образование было высококлассным, школы современные, а не ветхие, детские садики с соответствующими условиями, правоохранительные органы компетентные. Целый набор госуслуг, которые на Дальнем Востоке осуществляются хуже, чем в Москве. Этот пилотный проект надо провести поближе к западу, между Москвой и Уралом. Там тоже много земельных ресурсов. А потом уже на Дальнем Востоке. Боюсь, что мы здесь угробим все уникальные ресурсы.
Я.Л.: В другом регионе, в Якутии, жители уже заявили, что против, потому что боятся, что под этим соусом начнут заниматься незаконным старательством, добывать алмазы и так далее. Почему именно Дальний Восток? Например, в Кировской области уже сейчас можно получить до восьми гектаров земли бесплатно, если вы хотите заняться животноводством, а под фермерское хозяйство чуть ли не 50. И к столице это гораздо ближе. Почему они предпочтут Дальний Восток Кировской области?
И.С.: На Дальнем Востоке формируется центр притяжения – Китай и Юго-Восточная Азия. Если мы хотим сохранить свою историко-политическую сущность, то место приложения сил – именно там. Стране жизненно необходим осмысленный проект государственно-национального будущего. Строительство транспортного коридора Владивосток – Роттердам, второго Транссиба, позволит обеспечить реализацию этого проекта, особенно после создания США Транстихоокеанского партнерства.
Россия – федеративное государство, и не надо во всем надеяться на Москву. Общество, особенно в России, всегда было самоорганизующейся структурой. Не мешайте людям заниматься, и они разберутся и с браконьерами, и с ловушками. Но надо снять ограничения на залог муниципальной земли, которая сегодня находится в фонде перераспределения. Надо поставить эти земли на кадастровый учет. Принята программа создания перераспределительных центров около крупных, средних и мелких городов. На этих площадках нужно создать условия для мелких производителей перерабатывать и упаковывать свою продукцию, чтобы она могла пойти в сети на продажу. Тогда труд на этом гектаре станет осмысленным, и мы увидим успех.
Я.Л.: Сколько времени вы даете этому проекту? Когда мы соберемся обсудить его успех или неуспех?
С.К.: Первые результаты мы сможем обсудить к концу 2016 года. С февраля 2017 года мы начнем предоставлять землю для всех жителей РФ.
А.Л.: Сейчас уже надо подвести итоги проектов ТОРы и свободный порт Владивосток. А к концу 2016 давайте подведем итоги этому проекту.
И.С.: Такие проекты суеты не терпят. Три года.
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